Saturday, January 15, 2022

A Brother Asks: When Questions Go Unanswered

 

 

A Brother Asks:

When Questions Go Unanswered

 or

 Why some Brothers Stop Asking You Questions...

The following two exchanges* between Brothers illustrates when questions are either really answered and not really  answered by other Brothers based upon a verity of reasons. 

It also illustrates why some Brothers stop asking questions because they realize all too soon that they are not going to get them answered.

 

------ When A Brother ------
------ Actually Responds to ------
------ the Question Asked ------

Brother “A” Asks: As a relatively newer Mason... how do you respond when someone asks you: "What is a Mason?" Or "What makes a Mason?"

Brother "B": Regarding your question, how do I respond to:

"What is a Mason?"

When I respond, I keep it simple:

"If you are referring to Freemasonry, a "Mason" is a member of the Fraternity.

If you are as new to the Fraternity as you say you are, I recommend that you stay safe, toe the party line, and do the same.  When you are new to the Craft, you truly do not want to put yourself in a position that demands more from you than you are able to provide. 

Regarding the question, how do I respond to:

"What makes a Mason?"

As before and for the same reasoning, I respond with:

"If you are referring to Freemasonry, what makes a Mason is his Obligation.

As before, if you were to respond to this question, I also recommend that you stay safe and toe the party line here as well. Once you gain some Craft experience and know-how, you'll get to know the subtle nuances between Freemasonry and Masonry, and do so well enough to expand upon these basic responses.

Brother “A”: Thank You!

 

------    When A Brother    ------ 
------     
Responds with    
------
------ Preconceived Notions ------

Brother “A” Asks: As a relatively newer Mason... how do you respond when someone asks you: "What is a Mason?" Or "What makes a Mason?"

Brother “B”: Why did you become a Mason?
Brother “A”:
That’s not really answering my questions.

Brother “B”: Well if you answer my question, “why did you became a Mason,” then you might be able to explain what a Masons is to someone else.
Brother “A”:  Maybe, but it's still just answering my questions with a question that has nothing to do with my request.

Brother “B”: No. It’s answering a question by having you seek the answers that you have within yourself.
Brother “A”: You are assuming a lot here, Bro... and you are still not answering my questions.

Brother “B”: I didn’t need to answer your questions. I believe you already have the answer.
Brother “A”: Yes. It is quite clear that you do not need to answer my questions. However, you chose to distract me from what I seek, you are assuming that I have the answer for myself, and that your response still does not answer my questions.

But let’s explore your assumption.  Let's say I do have my own answers. Why do you suppose I am seeking the answers that other Brothers have and that I am requesting that they share these answers with me?

Furthermore, why do you think such seeking occurs within me and why I would trust my Brothers in sharing with me what I am seeking from them, regardless of the assumption that I already have my own answers?

Brother “B”:  First, you need to understand why or how you became a Mason and be able to explain that. If you can’t then maybe you need to figure that out first before asking other Brothers how or why.
Brother “A”: <sigh> I thought it was pretty clear that I was asking "what" questions and not any "how" or "why" questions.  And now you are telling me what I "need" when I clearly already put forth what I asked for.

It should also be clear from my query that what I need are answers to my "what" questions without any assumptions and projections from others clouding the mix. When I get responses full of assumptions and projections, I am likely not to ask further questions from any assuming and projecting source. The "if" being projected by you is an assumption with an additional prescribed "maybe" that is based upon your biased thinking and is not my actual reality. Worse yet, you are still not answering my questions.

Brother “B”: Being able to explain it in your own words from the heart is better than from a book or other people’s words.
Brother “A”:
Perhaps. However, this still does not address my original request for others to provide answers to me. You a clearly not hearing what I am asking for.

Furthermore, assumptions and projections about my original request are not what I was looking for. With the way you are responding to me, I'll likely shut down further dialog with you due to lack of incentive to continue. You have provided a string of canned responses to my  questions with a host of preconceived notions as to what is best for me.  Until you actually answer my questions or at least seek to understand why my questions were asked, you are truly not responding to my questions with any firm understandings. 

I have seen this done to other Brothers far too many times to remain silent when I am sincerely looking for answers and not alternatives to that end that are based upon the personal biases of others.

Brother “B”: Maybe you should consider helping yourself … it might be a better waste of our time then posting back and forth.
Brother “A”: 
As is clearly indicated by my response to you, I am helping myself and sticking with exactly what I am asking for, and without accepting the assumptions, projections, or unbrotherly insults of others.  No substitutes will do here. I want specific Light and you are pushing an alternative to the Light I seek.

As an aside, other readers will likely benefit from our exchange by seeing and evaluating how Brothers, such as yourself, don't truly answer a Brother’s questions. They will also get a better understanding as to the reasons why so many responses to legitimate questions are really based upon assumptions and projections that have nothing to do with questions put forth by the person seeking answers that truly don't focus upon what is really being asked.

Brother “B”: You're questioning what I have to say!
Brother “A”:  It might seem that way to you. 
I'm not really questioning any of it. You've clearly been providing far more information about yourself by your evasions than I could ever begin to question. I've recognized that you are not answering my questions, pointed this out, and that you are making up a whole lot of excuses for not doing so, all based upon your assumptions and projections.

Moreover, I literally asked in my original post the following:

 

"...how do you respond..."

I was not asking for advice on:

"...how should I respond... "

How on God’s green earth did you miss this simple part of my query?

For what it’s worth, I will never know how you respond to these questions, when you insist on having me respond to things I never asked for…. unless, that is exactly how you do respond to people when they ask you simple questions.

If all I can expect from you into the future is more of the same, I will likely not respond back to you every time you respond to my questions with anything that has nothing to do with my question.

Brother “B”: <extremely long pause accompanied by cricket sounds>

....

Brother “B”: Have a good night. I have an event to get the rest of my stuff ready for.
Brother “A”:
Thanks! Good Luck!

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 * Based upon multiple exchanges over the years

Random Building Thoughts - 2022-01-15


 -------------- OUR GOAL --------------

 For Further Light:
MATURE!

-------------- IQ --------------

 

It's Amazing
how many Brothers Truly Believe
their Titles have Raised their IQ
along with their Overall Mastery of Life.
Earn Your Title!
Don't just give It Lip Service.

 "BE" the title you wear!

-------------- MORE EDUCATION --------------

"If Freemasonry is indeed a system
which teaches good men to be better,
then we better start having more education meetings
than degrees and business combined.
If we’re not doing this,
we’re just lip service."
 
For Further Light:
 

-------------- HUMOR --------------

Masonry:
A Worldwide Inspiracy
to Improve the World,
One Good Man at a Time.

For Further Light:
Good Men

-------------- THE SECRET --------------

Can you improve on this?

-------------- CLIFF NOTES --------------
 

Freemasonic Ritual: CliffsNotes
for True Progression
without any of that needless
Studying and Learning.

Know of what you speak! 
Understand it! 
Then BECOME it!

-------------- GATHERING LIGHT --------------


It is not Enough to Gather Light;
to Improve for the Better,
one must Employ it Properly
once Gathered.

...and for God's sake,
have goals and executable plans.

-------------- REVIEW --------------

"I started and finished the journeyman papers today.
At first I thought,
how does this touch on free masonry?
But I kept reading,
the stories were good,
the intertwining of stories was good,
and the more I read the more I enjoyed them.
The more I read
the more I thought deeper about them.
Then the end came.
The questions you asked,
well, ?? EUREKA!!!!
There it is,
the deeper thoughts
and trying to answer these questions,
that's how it relates to our fraternity.
Great book brother."

-- Bro. Scott Hall

For Further Light:
The Journeyman Papers

  -------------- BASTARDS --------------

Bastardizing the Words of even one Brother
is Assuming the Mantle of an Illegitimate Creator
who Exists as the Very Thing that he Creates.

Take True Care
in how you represent
your Brothers' Words to Others.

-------------- ILL-PREPARATION -------------- 

It is Your Ill-Preparation
That Keeps You In The Dark 

Prepare Properly! 
Your Life Depends upon It!

-------------- THE TOOL --------------

When you Are Not The Tool
of what you Speak,
you missed the Whole Point
of Its Presentation.

 You ARE the Tool!
Be as Sharp as you can be!

-------------- MASONIC EDUCATION -------------- 


-------------- HISTORY -------------- 
 

 How 13th Century Cistercian Monks conveyed numbers...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cistercian_numerals

(Hat tip to Bro. Jerry Vogler Jr.!)
 
-------------- END -------------- 

 Be Well and Travel Light!

-- Coach Nagy ;-)

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Friday, January 14, 2022

Random Building Thoughts - 2022-01-14

 

-------------- HUMOR --------------

 
For Further Light:
What Was Lost

-------------- SOUL --------------

 
"Education is simply
the soul of a society
as
it passes from
one generation to another."
— G.K. Chesterton

-------------- WHO IS GOING TO FIX IT? --------------

"I’m not really concerned
with who messed the thing up.
I’d rather figure out
how to fix it."

-------------- THE STORM --------------

When a man has yet
to Determine for himself
what is Important,
he Wanders Aimlessly through
a Storm of Useless Distractions
all Aimed at Wasting his life.

Know your Threshing-floor!

 For Further Light:
Threshing Floor

-------------- PROJECT MANAGEMENT --------------

The Raised Male
Earns his Title
by Being a Unstoppable Project Manager
Engaged in a Never-Ending
Improvement Process upon Himself
and the World.

Be That Male!

-------------- THE RITE --------------

I Didn't Say,
"I Can't Tell You",
I Simply Said, "I Won't,
Till You Earn The Right
To Be Told."

 -------------- EARN IT! --------------

 True Story...

-------------- REVIEW/WISHES  --------------


"Just finished reading this book!
wonderfully written.
this definitely was an eye opener to our craft.
On a historical level,
spiritual level,
and a better understanding of the craft.
Brother John S Nagy wonderful job.
Looking forward to your next book."

-- Brother Allen Hoard / January 14, 2015
 
"[I] Have a birthday coming up soon
any y'all looking get me anything
I will take a few of coach John S Nagy books.
For whatever reason
I have just found this brothers writings
and look forward to reading them.
Just a suggestion.
...wink wink nod nod."
 -- Brother Clifton Mullins / January 14, 2016 

For Further Light:

-------------- MASONIC EDUCATION -------------- 


-------------- END --------------

 Be Well and Travel Light!

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Thursday, January 13, 2022

Random Building Thoughts - 2022-01-13

 

-------------- CLIFF NOTES --------------

Just Memorizing Ritual alone
is an Attempt to Remember
the CliffsNotes of Learning.
You may Think it's the Same
as Studying and Learning,
but you're Going to Fail at Life's Actual Tests
if you Don't do the Actual Work
that Ritual Reviews.
 
For Further Light:

-------------- HUMOR --------------

-------------- PROBLEMS FACED --------------

The Problems Freemasonry has today
stem from centuries of neglect and decay
arising from an overall lack of Masonry
being practiced by its general membership.
Freemasons get upset at hearing this
and might apply band-aids to cover up
the problems without addressing them Masonicly.
Masons understand the problems all too well
and do something to rebuild
what actually makes good men better.

For Further Light:
BETTERMENT

-------------- VEILED --------------


Freemasonry does such a good job
of keeping Masonry a Secret
that far too many of its own members
spend a lifetime within its ranks
and never begin to pull away its veils. 

   For Further Light:
Distinctions

-------------- STEPS OF IGNORANCE --------------

Advancing upon
|the Steps of Ignorance
makes you no less Ignorant
and no Smarter
than had you not taken
any Steps at all.

 -------------- DON'T STEP OVER -------------- 


What Actually Makes Good Men Better?

Only an Actively Engaged in Improvement Process
whereby their Hearts and Minds are
Continually Cultivated toward Greater Civility
toward themselves and others.

Should you step over this in any way,
you may actually be Actively Engaging in Rubbish.

For Further Light:

-------------- AWAKEN! --------------

 
"You know,
when real trouble comes
your humanity is awakened. 
The fundamental human experience
is that of compassion." 
- Joseph Campbell 
 The Hero's Journey

 

 -------------- THE STEPS OF YOUR TEMPLE --------------

What Greets Your Candidates
When they First Enter Upon
The Steps of your Temple?
Are they Steeped
Deep in Complacency?

 -------------- HURTING HISTORY --------------


<sniff> stop...
i don't wanna talk 'bout it...

-------------- NO SUBSTITUTES --------------


Mushroom Masonry Exists
Everywhere that Brothers are Kept in the Dark
and Fed a Regular Diet of Pure Rubbish
on a Regular Basis.
Accept No Substitutes
for the Real Thing!

 -------------- SELECT BETTER! --------------

 
80 to 90% of Your Life
Is Caused By Your Choices and Decisions.
If You Are Displeased,
Make Better Selections.
 
 -------------- FC STUFF --------------
 

"I 'tried' quadrivium once.
It was kind of a fellowcraft four-play."

-- Kevin Schneider

-------------- SMARTER BEASTS --------------

Without a Properly Prepared Heart,
any Head Learning merely brings about
a smarter ungoverned individual. 

In other words, teaching an unprepared heart any head stuff
without further Cultivation of his heart
is only helping to create a smarter beast. 

Do you truly want to be Responsible
for unleashing it upon mankind? 

No? Then do the Work pointed toward
by the Preston-Webb based Entered Apprentice Degree
and make sure no more Light is provided
to those who refuse to do this Work,
either directly or indirectly. 

It is the very core of reason behind
the seven liberal arts & sciences
not being provided to undisciplined souls. 

-------------- LIGHT MATH -------------- 

light math 101:

1) darkness plus darkness = darkness
2) darkness plus light = light
3) light cannot multiply darkness
4) darkness cannot multiply light
5) light divided by darkness = light
6) darkness divided by light = light 

-------------- PRELUDE --------------  

Lack of Harmony
often acts as a Prelude
to change.  

-------------- END --------------   

 Be Well and Travel Light!

-- Coach Nagy ;-)

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