How Passion Got Booked - An Interview with John S. Nagy
SPOTLIGHT*
Editor’s Note: On March 16th &
17th of this year, I was In Jackson, Mississippi, having been invited to speak
before the Grand Lodge of Mississippi’s Research Lodge. While there I saw a
table full of Masonic books. I had to investigate. There I saw W. Bro. John Nagy
(“Coach” to his friends). I entered into a fascinating conversation with him
and the discussion turned into something of an interview. As we talked, I
realized that what was being said, might well be of value to others. The result
is this paper and interview. ~ MRP** Frustration and a passion for clarity. I joined
the Craft to become a better man. The bumper stickers all claimed that the
organization made good men better. But after I joined, I realized all too soon
that not only was I not better for it, but everything that I went through had
nothing to do with making me a better man. My experiences seem designed for me
to be conforming to organizational guidelines, to make me a better member. Just about every answer I received from my Brothers could not be
explained beyond what they were told when they were asked the same questions.
None of the responses directed me toward betterment, just conformity. Yes, but I can’t limit it there. Long after I was
Raised, I encountered the same inabilities in just about every Brother I
encountered. Here are but three of thousands of questions that have less than
sufficient responses from the majority of the Craft: Sadly, there were no adequate answers to
questions that point members toward what actually makes a good man better or
how ritual spells this out for us. Every last one of these questions has an
answer, but you have to look for it outside the meeting rooms, support staff
and organizational literature. Brothers in charge truly don’t know adequate
answers and are of little to no help. They’re all focused on supporting the
degree machine, not the betterment of men. The more I sought answers, the more
I realized that I was not alone in my efforts. I’ve encountered frustration in
so many members and past members that I’ve lost count. We all had the same
observations and gripes though. Ritual is filled with all sorts of gems, but
there were no adequate guides that explained how to recognize, understand,
access, and apply them. It was like having treasure maps that no one knew how
to read. They all looked neat. They were fun to talk about. We all knew that
there was more to them. But there was no support in reading them, much less how
to use them to travel successfully through life. It’s frustrating knowing something
of value is there and having no way to access it! You’d think these materials would have helped.
They’re certainly available to help the members. Unfortunately, we were finding
dead-ends everywhere when we made any effort to investigate the commonly
provided Grand Lodge materials. Most all of it was filled with things that sounded
profound but didn’t really explain the nuts and bolts of recognizing,
understanding, and applying the activities that made good men better.
Furthermore, far too much of it was focused upon the rules, regulations and
traditions, the lexicon and lore of the fraternity, and passing off far too
much of the lore as history. Some materials reflected biographies of well-known
members and expression of unsupported but well-embraced opinions that bolstered
the overall appearance of the Fraternity. Sure, romantic notions are
attractive, but when you get down to brass-tacks, next to none of it supported
actually making good men better or even the slightest indication of how. And
this doesn’t begin to touch upon things that were put into the materials that
were borrowed from other jurisdictions and never checked out. This only
aggravated our frustrations further. No, I researched first. I looked into what was written
about the Light I sought. Initially, I stayed focused on materials that were
provided by Grand Lodges. I believed that they would be comprehensive. I soon found
they were nowhere near adequate. I found that the materials supplied were too
often borrowed from someone who had borrowed it from yet another borrowed
source. As I explored the long chains of borrowed sources, inevitably I found a
lot of conclusions were based upon some long dead author who used the words perhaps and maybe in their statements. Materials being provided for
educational purposes were based upon conjecture; they were guessing based upon
what was believed to be evidence. They too often were not factually or
historically based or assumptions. An example would be the word Free used within the terms “Free & Accepted,”
“Free Mason,” “Free Stone,” and “Free Born” is not based upon the
modern-day definition of the word Free, as in “unrestrained.” The
terms are all based upon the word franche, which meant, “superior;
excellent; pure; top-notch; master.” Research backs this up. As a result of not
knowing this, you have a lot of poorly researched papers trying to justify the
“without restraint” definition wrongly assigned to the word as applied to the
four terms. I learned early on that the Craft sources are filled with far too
much inbred materials to be sufficient in rendering supported conclusions,
unless you are looking to merely show that current explanations are right in
line with what has already been written by other Craft members. Craft lore
influences within its overall literature base are that strong. When you look at
all the interconnections, they form a supportive web that even manipulates
non-members in their research offerings. Yes. At one point in my research efforts, I
encountered a multi degree non-member author out of the Northeast who wrote a
book about English Etymology and he had cut and pasted the definition of freestone right out of a conjecture based paper written by
a member of the fraternity. In a follow-up addendum to his initial book that he
publish about a year later, he pretty much admits he cut and pasted the
explanation without fact-checking, that he never felt right about it and
proceeded to reverse what he cut and pasted showing that further research
proved this explanation to be wrong and why. It was at this point that I
recognized I had been fishing in a freemasonic barrel and needed to throw my
line into a bigger body of water; one that allowed for more Light than the closed-in
barrel I had been dipping my line into. And that has made all the difference in
the world to my efforts. An example is the ruffians’ names are not names! They’re phonetically approximated and cleverly rendered
statements in a foreign tongue that is no longer spoken in the dialect where
they originated. They have also been encoded to divert attention from the
obvious. I used sources existing both inside and outside
the Craft to do the research. Not one Fraternal source was able to figure this out.
However, when I researched the history, locations and the dialects spoken
within the surrounding regions at specific points in time, it became clear that
the person who wrote their names into ritual for the first time was sending a
direct message into the future for someone to decode, if they took the time to
connect the dots. It was figured out in 2019. Their “names” first appeared in
print in 1760. So, how did it stay hidden two-hundred and forty some-odd years?
Why did members never look into what these names actually were communicating?
Why did they simply ask whomever they were training to memorize the script and
make sure the next generation did the same? This is but one example of the
multitudes of things hidden in plain sight that members should be encouraged to
look into, explore, assess, and apply within their lives to make themselves
better men. But members are too busy training members to train members to make
members rather than cultivating them into better men. My frustration compelled me to research. I wrote
things down because the more I discovered, the more I became unclear as to the
significance of my findings. I was in overload and writing was a way for me to
sort the information out on paper, rather than in my head. This was of great assistance
to me since the more I researched, the more overwhelmed I became. Writing was
cathartic. It freed my mind of clutter and it helped me clarify what I thought
I knew about of my research efforts. And there was an unanticipated benefit of
bringing forth tremendous order to the chaos of my mind. There was value in the
act of writing something down clear enough so that another person who didn’t do
the research would understand what was stated enough to convey it to another
party so that they would understand. This would mean I had to write it down so
clearly that someone using these materials to instruct would not convey them in
a confusing manner. Readers would “get” what was conveyed in writing and be
empowered (and compelled) to convey it to others well. I wanted to make sure
that I would not have to revisit the materials and question their validity.
Several sources had to concur with the findings, and it had to be clearly
expressed so that when I went back to what I wrote, I would understand fully
what was put forth and why. Each book I wrote lays the foundation for the next.
Just like the degrees, you must fully comprehend each level before you can
begin to grasp the next. The first book was a documentation of the first wave
of research. Sure, there are things within each book that stand alone, but the
whole series is a progression through the research. Initially, I had one primary reader in mind – me.
I desired a book that I would want on my bookshelf as an in-depth read and
reference. I knew that what I wrote was first and foremost to put down in
writing what I researched and uncovered. It was only when I got to the point where
I was going to share it, as in publish, that I also wanted very much to make
sure anyone who read them would understand how the research unfolded and why.
In this respect they represent a continuum of research that needs to be read
from beginning to end to best understand. I learned so much along the way and I
added new twists to the foundation when I uncovered new aspects of already
visited topics. That’s what happens when you’re continually researching and
writing about new things or new viewpoints on old things. You come across new
materials and new viewpoints. Yes. I wanted to eventually produce books that I
would want to have on my bookshelves; books that I wanted to read and that I
would invest in without hesitation because they had within them the Light for
which I joined the Craft. The bonus was that I knew I was not alone in this so
publishing made these books available for not just me, but also for others who had
the same interest. I have been blessed with far more than what I set out to do.
As a direct result of my initial frustration, I learned how to do my own
research and writing. In sharing what I wrote, I also have a network of
like-mind, like-hearted and like-spirited Brothers around the world who have
the same passion for Light, as I do. I also have had more Brothers than I can
recall tell me that what I wrote within my books is exactly what they joined
for. What I have expressed through these books has given them back a hope that
was dying due to the fraternity’s current focus. Ah! That’s just it. I was so frustrated by my
first few years within the fraternity that I shared my displeasure with a few
officers in my lodge. They said that I wanted more out of the meetings, provide
what you want, and we’ll give you meeting time. So, I took some of my research and
created papers to share with my lodge brothers as presentations during open
meetings. But, I can tell you that reading papers in open lodge was not truly
appreciated. Kindergartners love having things read to them; grown men, not so
much. They much prefer reading these materials for themselves. Yes. And the difference now, from what I did in
the beginning, is that almost everything I present to my Brothers is
unscripted. It’s live and unrehearsed and the only t I did. And once I did, Brothers wanted copies
which led to another challenge — once they obtained one book, they wanted more.
The finishing touches, as in, taking care of each
book’s continuity, grammar, and typos. I have a group of dedicated proofreaders
to assist in tracking each of these issues and who each have their specialty.
This is where those who can best work and best agree really come in handy. A
dependable team of Brothers is a Godsend in these matters. And the second is
don’t sweat the continuity, grammar, and typos once the book is published;
that’s what second editions are for. Brothers sincerely seeking the Light it
has to offer will understand what is trying to be conveyed, appreciate the
efforts to get it into their hands, and do so without judgment. No. But I do realize now that, quite by accident,
I took on a responsibility to explain the road maps we call Ritual when I
started researching them early on. My passion for Ritual’s Light drove my
efforts forward. My desire to share is also driven by the belief that future
generations will be better informed as to what these maps direct us to do. I
hope this is evident in these books. Every last one of them targets a different
aspect of Craft development. Each is designed to cultivate a different aspect of
thinking and being. Each has become more than just a conveyance of Light. They
are empowering tools, and in the right hands they can transform the way a
Brother thinks to the better. You’re most welcome and it has been an honor,
privilege, and a pleasure. Thanks for asking! * Published
in The Journal of the Masonic Society; / Issue 49 / SUMMER 2020
Question: Are you referring to the Masonic instructors who had you in their
charge while you were a candidate.
Question: What about the materials provided to you by Grand Lodge?
Question: So, you wrote about it? 
Question: Non-member authors?
Question: How did you arrive at this?
Question: How did you start writing?
Question: At what point did you decide to share your writings?
Question: And that brings us back to your publishing them.
Question: But how did the publishing of these books come about?
Question: But you currently speak at lodges around the country all the time. 
hing I have to go with is
an outline to lead me and the audience down the road. I’m sharing from my heart
the light that is within and my passion for what I offer is evident to all
involved. If I had not taken the time to internalize the Light, clarify it
through writing and literally make it a part of me, I would not be able to
convey that Light with clearly directed passion so that Brothers who are
interested will not only understand that Light, but feel it as well. I found
all too soon that the Brothers who heard what I spoke of wanted to know if they
could read up on what I shared. I initially just sent them a copy of what I
wrote, and sometimes the research notes that accompanied them as well and when
asked. Unfortunately, it got to the point where I was being asked for multiple
papers with notes. I was encouraged by quite a few Brothers to put them into a
book so that they could read them and refer back to them, sort of like what I
initially had in mind for myself.
Question: So you put them into book form?
Question: What’s your biggest challenge in all this?
Question: Did you ever imagine that you’d have published over a dozen books as
a result of your passion for Light?
Question: Thanks for taking the time to talk.
** Bro. Micheal R Poll, Editor
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